"I wouldn’t be shocked to see this SCOTUS come up w/ a way around the crystal clear language & original intent on who is counted in the census. I’m more skeptical they’ll accept a new one-off census. But they could. It’s a deeply corrupt institution. That’s your path to the dissolution of the union"
The term “constitutional crisis” gets used a lot these days. By a...
Illegitimate, and blatantly corrupt. That is the present day Supreme Court. They, like the Executive branch have appointed themselves powers that don’t exist. Neither the Executive or the Justice Departments legally have the power to write laws, or to disregard the ones that are written. But they do
Nah, the answer isn't to dissolve the US and allow half of it democracy and freedom and the other to fester under hate and dictatorship. That wouldn't stop the regime, anyway. It's not like Hitler kept his atrocities to his own backyard.
Trump starts ahead 2 -0 on any issue brought to SCOTUS. Anyone who thinks 3 more Justices won't invent some Constitutional carve out for Trump is delusional.
This set of Supremes stays bought from hen you buy them.
Balkanization is Putin's goal. If SCOTUS won't stop Trump, the military needs to instead
It is a deeply corrupt institution, but it has so far not gone against an explicit constitutional provision. The time is drawing near when they'll have to, but it hasn't happened yet. youtu.be/Pq1fSsJJzc4
I’d be happy to break up now. The Northeast is pretty Blue. We’ve got good schools, universities, lots of jobs, we need universal healthcare and we are all set.
And if it happens Northern states need to be ready to break with the South.
It isn't already?
The US #Constitution Article I, Section 2, Clause 3, requires this enumeration to count "all persons" residing in each state, regardless of citizenship status.
I can see the useless #SCOTUS treasonous pendejos' reasoning: Because they eat cats and dogs, they are not persons.
#FuckTrump
Putting on my MAGA cap, (which is disgusting) I would just say “free persons” automatically exempts anyone undocumented or on an expired visa because they are automatically eligible for ICE to kidnap and imprison, therefore not free persons.
It’s gross, but that’s what they will argue.
Hmmmm? I wonder if being a “D” would be a possible reason for being excluded?
SCROTUS.
Heritage Foundation numbers.
Make SCOTUS irrelevant. Impeach
Well SCOTUS is corrupt
I did mention the question to msnbc, guess it wasn’t important. Oh well! vision is unseeable
For a little while, I thought they may have been shamed into course correction, but to course-correct now probably puts them in personal jeopardy. They would rather oversee the dissolution of our government than be personally accountable. They’re working against the country now.
Karma needs to smack them down hard........fatally would do. Evil and corrupt and they are TRAITORS.
ISN'T capital punishment the sentence for TRAITORS?
2/3 of scotus is irrational and corrupt
PUTIN'S COURT
Agree. Well said.
It’s already happening IMO
It’s what the majority of Americans voted for, or simply sat at home and allowed to happen. People can’t say they weren’t warned.
It'll be like their recent rulings where they mumble "yeah that's not how it works, but it's Thursday so here's a little wiggle room in THIS specific instance".
This whole census thing is the epitome of “waste, fraud and abuse.” Where is DOGE?
And a way to disappear people.
Tap tap tap
John Roberts, convicted of attempting to overthrow the constitution to implement fascism in USA 🇺🇸
This is how we will always him, along with poor Jack & Josie, who must hide the shame/ Nazi shame that is his legacy
The "way around" it is to ignore it, since they themselves are the arbiters of what it means. They don't need an explanation. They'll tell us what Trump wants to hear and dare Congress to stop them.
Ironically ... it will be very difficult to make America great again from the disaster of magaRINO.
That lawyer guy selling subs is pretty cool...but if you've got a Supreme Court in your hip pocket that will rubber stamp your every whim?...well...then I might keep hoping he's right...but save my $5 and place my bets on the historically preferred remedy having more potential.
Clarence Thomas … “The Constitution doesn’t say the President can’t demand a mid-decade census … we cannot deny the duly elected President his mandate to make this bold decision.”
Perhaps once could argue that by undermining so many federal institutions and giving so many rights back to the states, POTUS and SCOTUS have weakened the federal government so much that the union no longer exists.
Sadly, dissolution of Union, a cause & idea for which so many offered last full measure of devotion, feels less tragic than a whole, but fascistic, dark & violent, United-States-in-name-only. I’d rather be a free Californian than an American living under fascist dictatorship. Not a difficult call.
They’re on the DJT bandwagon, so I don’t trust them.
Nothing, no matter how heinous, is beyond the Gang of Six.
We're watching America get crushed, dismantled and dishonored. There are no Champions 2 be a roadblock. Those of U out there that still have some form of approval 4 this Tyrant...hold on, your life will never b the same. No problems are being addressed. Regular people r Disheartened. Betrayal!!
exactly, every 10 years is god damn crystal clear, and the last census was in 2020
Then its time to secede
My guess
I would be surprised if they didn’t just do a shady shadow docket ruling without explanation.
This is an illegitimate SCOTUS. It’s confounding how we keep marching along. We are truly the frog sitting in a pot of boiling water.
SCOTUS’s avoidance in ruling on the constitutionality of birthright citizenship, was done in anticipation of dissolution of the federal government. Each state will determine who is and isn’t a citizen.
Yep.
I wouldn’t be shocked to see the SCOTUS get rid of all democratic SCOTUS.
They will use some twisted logic to give Trump another win. Dems need to find way to slow this down and stop it from getting to them anytime soon
Let's get that "national divorce" the right thinks they want.
F those putos.
I no longer trust any of the numbers being released by this administration.
confederates lost the war but still took the country.
Not only are the six court fascists deeply corrupt they're laughingly in our face about it. They make mockery of the very concept of justice.
Thank you so much, republicans, for stabbing our founders in the back.
social scientist Ive used Census data a lot for studies…I can tell you with little doubt that it is IMPOSSIBLE to conduct a valid Census of the entire country without 2-3 years notice. This request is simply cover for them to lie about the 2026 elections. He is setting up lies for future lies.
And exactly where will he get about $15 billion that a new census will cost that has not been appropriated. Add this to the list of things that must be prohibited in appropriations before any Democrats vote for a CR along with funding for upgrading the plane or permitting it to be transferred.
the Supreme court has no creditability. The far right members including the chief justice are grabbing money for themselves while they try to destroy democracy.
I'm not responding to it.
We should have thrown out the Constitution after it gave us the civil war
They sure will.
He’s right. The Trump dictatorship is violating the Constitution in so many ways, and has blocked off so many avenues to correct his thuggery and get back on course, I don’t see how this country doesn’t break into two parts.
The only question is when do we reach critical mass?
Alas.
I have a funny feeling breaking up the union into countries might be the only way to get rid of Trump fascism.
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They have ZERO chance. Completely compromised.
sadly correct.
Per Article 1, the Congress, not the President, has the power over the “actual enumeration” of the population. And Article I & the 14th Amendment state that districts must be apportioned based on “the whole number of persons” in each state. Not based on citizens only.
It would lead to dissolution of the United States. The blue states support the US, but would have no political power. Taxation without representation.
If I were undocumented, I would not participate in the census.
Why don’t we acknowledge that the current Extreme Court is not acting in good faith and declare its opinions void.
Deeply corrupt is correct! 😳
Civil War. 🤬
Any one else think Comey Barrett was threatened after the state of the Union.
Scalia and Thomas have no integrity. They’ll find a way.
Totally spot on.
Dissolution of the union is the best case scenario in my mind. I no longer wish to be associated with the mouth breathers in Mississippi and Alabama. Lets Balkanize. Let California, Oregon and Washington join together to form Pacifica. Liberals will flock there and the coast would flourish.
This supremely corrupt court lacks the wisdom to see why what they're doing is catastrophically wrong. The free rv, trips, and tuition didn't help either.
It’s so stupid to not count everybody in the country. The country itself for our own security needs to know who’s here, how many there are and where they live, it’s a matter of national security as far as I can tell.
6 Injustices make up the majority, and we KNOW 4 of them are corrupt.
Binary counting.
I worked as a field op on the 2020 census. There was a concerted right wing campaign trying to convince Hispanics not to give any information to the govt. it was very effective. GOP claiming millions of illegals were counted is a lie
What are the new countries going to look like when the usa no longer exists. Like will it be north/south or west coast/south/east coast.
Doesn't feel like it'll stick together forever with how broad the rifts have become. Significant major moral and world view differences that won't cooperate.
If Trump manipulated the census to insure Republican rule indefinitely. Blue states will have no choice but to secede. Taxation without representation is the only reason anyone should need for leaving the union.
If you remember correctly he rigged the last census. Projecting the rigged thing as he does all the time...
It won’t break. If it did, southern states would immediately go into an economic depression and there would be a food shortage. Pensioners and their families would revolt once assistance stops and there would be individual revolutions in each state. Unemployment would triple. Never happen.
Wouldn't this make a great nation?
• Long border with friendly Canada • Short, defensible land border with US • Atlantic coastal ports • Extensive infrastructure • Financial powerhouse: investing, banking, insurance • 3 Fed Reserve Banks • Excellent agriculture • World's largest gold depository
Nothing would surprise me from SCOTUS.
When he is gone we can have a new one.
I'll be shocked if they rule against it. But sometimes they issue legitimate rulings to deceive the press and the people that they are a legitimate non-partisan court.
Blue states succeed NOW. Why wait? We’ve seen enough. The constitution has been ripped to shreds already. 💙✌🏻
Would that Blue States just called it quits. As Lisa Murkowski made quite clear when she had no problem selling out Americans in 49 states in her misbegotten arrangement with Trump, the Union is broken.
I remember when the Census Bureau tried to use statistical methods to produce a more accurate number of people who live in the US and account for people in transit and traditionally undercounted groups. The courts said NOPE! They were quite specific about the “The actual Enumeration shall be made…”
It’s already broken. texas hasn’t had a statewide Dem official in 20 years, refused to accept a couple billion $ in Obamacare money, & enforces its own immigration laws.
They never really want to be part of the Union, it seems.
I fully expect we are in our last decade.
The time might be approaching when we form a new nation of blue states.
Doesn’t Congress order censuses?
They will do whatever the heritage foundation and donors tell them to do. Just like the good little whores they are
Dissolution of the union might be better than continuing to live in a dictatorship with MAGA as the single party, which we know is their goal. On the other hand it makes actual war a lot more likely.
You don’t think the “great Texas gerrymander” will end the union? I do! There’s no way blue states will tolerate it. Newsom is already scheduling a vote to gerrymander California blue if Texas moves forward. Other states will follow, then majority of voters are redundant, and America is dunzo.
When the Supreme Court bends the law to fit political aims, it chips away at the very foundation of our democracy. Manipulating the census is more than a legal issue—it’s a threat to fair representation and national unity.
Putin's agent is doing a great job of destroying the US from the inside by stabbing it right in the heart while half of the population cheers.
Yes, a deeply corrupt institution.
look back to the 1930 census and ask why the US govt. wanted to know how many Mexicans in the country?
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I’m sure they’ll try to run this issue through in the dead of night. We see how that has been working out for us.
My thought is Alito will manage to find some 6th century law to support his trashing of the Constitution. You know, like he found some 18th century British law that he used to end Roe. /s
Trump‘s best bet would be to argue that since we send these migrants home in chains, just like we imported the slaves in chains; they are our slaves and therefore should only count as 3/5ths of a person!
How’s that for twisted logic ? Just read how they’re chained & shackled on immigration flights
My fear also. This court has shown what they stand for again and again. Having no guardrails and a lifetime appointment is insane.
When Drumpf is removed some of the SCOTUS peeps will also be removed.
No lies detected. CALEXIT for me.
Your military may be the only institution left that is bound to fight for you and the constitution.
The census is meant to count everyone. Think natural disaster, you need to know how many people. You don’t decide to assist only half the people, you get everyone out of harms way.
The last census #s under counted urban poor in northern states in order to cost Dems seats. This will be worse
If the regime insists upon living like its 1789 France they shouldn’t be shocked with a similar, bloodless version of events.
SCOTUS, laws, protocols, the Constitution
MEAN NOTHING
to trump!
He's very close to declaring himself dictator/president for life.
The rules will mean nothing, the US will be existing under trump's whims.
Time for a northeast secessionist movement
The alt-right Supreme Court Justices are part of Trump's Oligarchy coup.
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Undocumented immigrants have been included since the very FIRST census held in 1790
They’re going to ask the Magic 8 ball if the number they guess at is right or not.
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Anyone else thinking that even conservative SCOTUS would like to see Trump gone forever? I do. 🤔
The republicans are desperate! Impeach the 6 biased hard right justices!
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Has anyone got access to the prison numbers for each state? Texas has lots of jails— they could lose seats
I mean, the federal government is no longer giving states disaster aid.
That seems like a clear "Union is done" moment.
If this piece of shit masquerading as a yam can rewrite laws and the constitution whenever the fuck it wants, then fuck this sham of a country. The court nothing but 6 lowrent whores rim jobbing #Epstein'sBFF.
i don't see ACB shifting with the 4 who sided with the Trump admin the first time but who knows. people just means white males under the history and traditions textualist interpretation of the constitution so.
Refuse to take part in the census.
Any information you are eventually forced to give should be completely erroneous at best.
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Alito: Only white Christians count.
I know we're all Bitching and in shock right now but it's going to take an Uprising to take our country back.. we've been Hoodwinked Hijacked BY DOMESTIC TERRORIST DONALD TRUMP AND HIS FASCIST REGIME AND A LIST OF PEDOPHILES DONALD IS IN THE JEFFREY EPSTEIN PEDOPHILES FILES No One Is safe!
I'll say it again. The reason we are in this shit falls directly on the shoulders of Chief Justice Roberts and his four minions.
A deeply corrupt institution. As a boy and a younger man, I never thought those words and the SCOTUS would be synonymous.
All bets are off when it comes to originalism, textualism and even constitutional principles with this radical Roberts Court. No text? Make it up! Precedents? Overturn them!
Amen on that. The most corrupt SC of my lifetime
We are WAY past a Constitutional Crisis. This is a Confederate Constitutional Coup.
Let's revert back to one of the main reasons for the first American Revolution - taxation without representation.
Tariffs are taxes that burden those with less, the most.
If trump wants SCOTUS to abolish the Constitution, they’d probably do it.
STONEHEARST ASYLUM ... a movie but sadly depicts exactly what is happening in America right now! Trump and his administration as in the movie ... are psychos ACTING as if THEY CAN LEAD! Silas Lamb = Trump (AND AS IN THE MOVIE) leading us into starvation. Trumps destruction of America DAY 201.
This is nothing but another attempt by MAGA to misappropriate federal taxpayer money into their own coffers. Immigrants & undocumented workers pay taxes too - it’s a false flag to say they’re all “freeloaders” - immigrants have become the 2025 version of the “Welfare Queens” of the 1990’s.
Solution: Fur babies count as residents in blue states only
I’m about this close to saying fine, the southern tier of states can fuck right off. They’ll be broke in two years, and our national SAT scores will be the highest ever in the history of history.
We keep hinting at the "fracture" of the Union. I suggest it is broken. But, I guess we wait until '26 to be certain.
But, assuming I am correct, who is making concrete plans for our own "two-state" solution. And, what are they?
Yes. They are ready to destroy the country so they can be racist and misogynist like they imagine it was for white people 150 years ago.
They never realize the situation was not so great for most of the white people either.
I gave up on those greedy mfers along time ago
I think this experiment is over. I think no longer should a president pick Supreme Court judges. Or any judge for that matter. There should be picked and appointed by their own peers. And with limited years. Our judges need to stay out of politics and be neutral. And we must have a review board.
What to do? End the blue-versus-red war! Focus on the silenced majority determined to dismantle the corrupt, bipolar political duopoly and reclaim our democracy.
Will we still have to pay taxes if there is a civil war?
Send Clarence Thomas to Gitmo.
Can Michigan be annexed by Canada, please?
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*Supreme Court Republicans Of The United States
FIFY
The US as the world knew it, ended when trump was sworn in. I've posted many times it doesn't survive trump. I think the chances of civil war are 50/50. The midterms, and corruption of it will be the pivot point and last chance you for you guys.
It's safe to say, that we do not have SCOTUS.
“That’s your path to the dissolution of the union"
just say no to him and mean it!
SCOTUS, 6 Nazi's & 3 Americans.
At the apex of our civilization a political death Cult has appeared to destroy our country & civilization, lead by a man who is immoral, has no character, completely lacks empathy, has no virtues, is impossibly greedy & inanely lies as he breaths. What will Americans choose life or oblivion?
Can't be more than 3 in the Epstien Tapes. Can there?
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I believe this give cause & reasoning for CA to Secede! Secede NOW before the USA economy crashes --- NOW!!!
I’m exercising my 2A rights. Agents are older and slower now
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There is no crisis. This is a fascist coup and they are consolidating power fast.
What matters is that they are not going to give up power period.
The legal stuff doesn’t do much when someone is sticking a gun in your face.
The “originalists” on the court will have no trouble reinterpreting the clear meaning of the document.
Path to secession
Might be the right thing to do at this point – it's not really a union anymore.
They're here to wreck the Constitution and democracy, and this is the time they've been not only waiting but building for since the 1980's. We had better wake up. The Dem party had better wake up.
SCOTUS is completely complicit with trump and Project 2025. I think they see dear leader as a convenient tool to accomplish the implementation of Project 2025.
They'll manipulate the census numbers just like they did the dept of labor numbers using the same magic.
Who knew the SCOTUS could be so easily bought. What whores
POTUS owns SCOTUS so expect nothing less
Completely corrupt. I feel like a million of us should be on the scotus steps daily
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SCOTUS is six Russian agents destroying democracy.
Or in the voting rights act
This court is the lynchpin, the cornerstone, the key to the plan to take down our nation's democracy and turn it into some whipping boy for wealth and power. It's been in the planning for years. Trump sped it along. Big tech facilitated. Musk came out of the shadows to make certain it happened.
I place ZERO confidence/hope in #CorruptSCOTUS
If they agree to this middle finger to the Constitution, does ANYONE think Texas would follow this new census & not count their alleged 1.75 million undocumented? No, these counts are designed to trim CA, NY, OR, NJ's etc. representation, & Fed Gov. will turn blind eye to TX cheating, as usual.
If a census taker shows up to your house before 2030, tell them to eat a steaming pile of shit.
If they come back, let your dog out on them.
“Originalists” my ass. They are fake ass justice. Get them out now!
Would the break up of the USA into 3-4 smaller entities be a disaster? If so, why? If not, would all of these smaller entities be able to survive in the medium-long term? Would the entities have to be fenced off from on another?
Honestly, dissolve the union. Blue states lose very little by integrating into ocean spanning geopolitical boundaries with Asian nations or Europeans the red state middle is lost. Focus on the Carolina’s & Georgia as valuable red real estate. Efficiency & profit always survive the coup.
If the Roberts Court wants to start a civil war, they can. It’s up to them.
I'd visit the country of California, for sure 😊💖
Every member of the Supreme Court should be harassed out of the country at every moment. Pelt them with rocks and garbage. Vandalize their stuff. Nobody should be available for any service. Make their life a living hell. Fascists get fists.
Agreed. This SCOTUS is corrupt.
This SCOTUS could rule that since everyone was a citizen in 1787, except those people specifically excluded or inluded as fractional values (and later included by amendment), then of course the constitution's definition of "people" was an implied intent to count only citizens.
Didn't he try and fail to get a citizenship ? on last cencus?
Secession has been tried. Didn't work out real well last time.
I fully expect it to break apart. Whoever has the means to leave, should. Whoever has the means to help others leave, should. I’m pretty well stuck
If there isn't a legal way SCOTUS will make an illegal path.
www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ana... They did it in 2020
The records show the importance of adding safeguards against political interference in the census, which determines representation and funding.
The majority is corrupt and/or intellectually dishonest, so yeah. They’re part of the project.
They just want Jim Crow .2 nation.
I have been shocked so many times by this corrupt SCOTUS, I don’t think I’m capable of shock anymore
It seems painfully obvious to me that our democracy is already dead. Any remaining lawsuits or Court decisions will either go in Trump's favor or be ignored by trump. It's performative democracy, and I can only guess that it's to try to not freak too many people out all at one time? Idk, but...
They will because they only have one purpose, to serve their Dear Leader and whatever psychotic, fascist yearnings he wants.
I think the US could be on Course for a Civil War
