The NYTimes today has a long interview with Jonathan Greenblatt of the ADL.

Here he states, "Zionism is essential to the Jewish tradition," even though Zionism has not existed for most of Jewish history. Yes, there is a messianic yearning to return to the land, but that is not Zionism.

"Please define both. So Zionism is, simply put, the right of the Jewish people to self-determination in their ancient homeland. That’s what it is. Zionism is essential to the Jewish tradition. The idea of Jews returning to Israel, we’ve been talking about it since Moses, literally. Political Zionism is newer, 125 years, but that notion of self-determination in the homeland doesn’t exclude Palestinians, doesn’t exclude any other group. It’s saying Jews have the right, this sort of liberation movement, to go back to where they’re from. Anti-Zionism is the belief that Jews do not have that right. It is an ideology which is committed to saying we will do what we can to prevent Jewish self-determination in their homeland. Anti-Zionism is an ideology of nihilism, Lulu, which would literally seek to not just delegitimize but eliminate the Jewish state. And that’s very problematic."

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  1. Jonathan Greenblatt is a disgraceful bigot.

    And he does not care about antisemitism at all.

    He only cares about Zionism, which is why he tries to conflate it with my religion.

    He’s an evil person.

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  2. Both Zionists and antisemites want to conflate the two, each for their own selfish interests. No, Chaim Weitzmann was not the Mashiach. This is not the hoped-for messianic state. Nor is there any traditional religious directive to carry out a second conquest of Canaan like Joshua.

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  3. This passage is very illuminating. Here’s what I think.

    Greenblatt claims that Jews have a religious belief that they have the right to return to their ancestral homeland in the Middle East. I respect that - but I do not believe it (or any other religious belief) should influence world affairs.

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  4. if you step back to view the forest through the tree's.....

    the director of a once vaunted organization that researched, documented, & categorized radical groups ~ has been RADICALIZED. It's incredible.

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  5. It is antisemitic to conflate Jewish identity with Israeli nationalism. It is antisemitic to presume that because someone is Jewish that they unconditionally support Israeli policy.

    It doesn't matter whether it's a neo-Nazi doing it or the head of the ADL. It's still antisemitic.

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  6. to be fair, he distinguishes “Zionism” from “political Zionism” in that very quote.

    I think the issue here is more that his definition of Zionism as “where Jerusalem is mentioned” is vague enough as to be meaningless, so he fundamentally fails to understand what a lot of people see Zionism as.

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  7. This is such a fundamentally dishonest framing, to suggest that everyone who wants one state with equal rights is in support of burning down the Pennsylvania Governor's mansion.

    "I think the challenge is if someone defines their view of anti-Zionism in a way that allows for Jews to exist in a state of Israel but that grants Palestinians rights, but you’re seeing that as antisemitic, people don’t feel like they have the space to have a different view without being tagged with something that is pretty serious. I can appreciate that for some people, this idea is an abstraction. Oh, anti-Zionism, it means such and such to me. I get that. But let me tell you what anti-Zionism doesn’t mean to me but what it results in: It’s a lunatic trying to burn down the governor’s mansion with his family sleeping in it because of his, quote, position on Palestine. It is, again, firebombing elderly people because you want to “end all Zionists.”

In talking to people who are self-described anti-Zionists, starting with the idea that that is the way they feel — that everyone should have rights in Israel and Palestine and Palestinian territories — to then extrapolate that they are somehow connected to murder, arson — I am not connecting those people. That’s kind of a sleight of hand, and not fair."
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  8. The next sentence is more galling. “Doesn’t exclude Palestinians” necessarily means they either need citizenship and the vote or their own state, both rejected by the current Israeli government and, frankly, a supermajority of Jewish Israeli voters. But he’d go ballistic if anyone pointed that out.

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  9. I read this article with eyes wide open which is something the ADL doesn't care for. Greenblatt is slick, I'll give him that, but he's also a gaslighter right up there with any right wing ideologue anywhere on the planet. That said I thought Lulu Garcia-Narvarro did a good job.

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