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  1. I’m very surprised the drop is so low. Nobody who doesn’t have their primary residence in the US should be travelling to the US given how many tourists have ended up in ICE detention facilities. 🤷

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  2. And...

    Maybe a few more slots for 'our' kids...

    OK, I get it but let's be honest. California state colleges and universities admitted the legal limit of out-of-state students for purely financial reasons and I'm sure the same applied to students from outside the country as well.

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  3. So we, here in America, are no longer going to get our pick of “the best and the brightest” the world has to offer? We won’t get the next Google, the next level AI geniuses, …Tesla & SpaceX? So much for this experiment in running the country as an Idiocracy!

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  4. And to add to that- with enrollment dropping at many US higher education institutions from US students, this will add to the financial pressure of both private colleges struggling to survive and state schools with a significant loss of income, since intl students pay higher tuition costs.

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  5. If this makes you mad, spend just as much time screaming at MAGA Voters/making THEIR lives a living hell. As you do for the Nazis and fascist politicians that they’ve handed the power to destroy this fucking country over to.

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  6. Honestly, 60,000 seems like a low estimate.

    I’m thinking of college towns like Ann Arbor or Boulder, where shops have to staff up like crazy every academic year. And now cut that. And by 30-40% for all of them without time to adjust or get American citizens to enroll instead.

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  7. And I'm surprised it isn't worse. I don't know why anyone would take the risk. I guess Russians probably feel safe.

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  8. With the best American students now all heading abroad, it'll be interesting to see which countries take advantage in exactly the was the US used to, and just quietly siphon off the best American students permanently.

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  9. I hope most of the colleges need to shut down and sell their shit for 5% market value after their capitulation.

    ALT: a man is sitting on a couch with his eyes closed and says that 's a shame .
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  10. Without significant recovery in visa issuance in July and August, up to 150,000 fewer students may arrive this fall.

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  11. Thanks to corporations we are a nation of mediocre product. The music and entertainment sectors are already experiencing this. Wealthy people are the only ones able to produce anything and most are only marginally qualified. They want the rest of us in factories that dont exist and processing meat.

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  12. I wonder what percentage of the population understand what that actually means for American industrial excellence as the best choose to get there education elsewhere

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  13. When potential students see the new standards for applying for a US visa, on top of all the other crap going on (higher Ed losing funding, capitulation to fascist demands, ICE crimes at points of entry), I can't imagine anyone risking a US education (worked with intl students for years at big univs)

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  14. So many colleges have low acceptance rates. There are plenty of smart kids here who apply and get denied. There is a demand for college. The cost is what needs to be addressed. Unaffordable for so many that “make too much” for any federal aid and to add insult to injury, loan amounts now capped.

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  15. Well, like, duh. The reverse for Canadian schools btw. U.S. student enrollment there has also increased. Who wants to send their kid to a U.S. school where they could get arrested for thinking?

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  16. Given recent numbers Trump seems to be pursuing negative job growth so this stat perfectly aligns with his policies and intent. How can anyone think eliminating an entire revenue stream from our economy is a good business decision?

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  17. I mean alot of us are also, out of kindness, telling people to NOT come here as they will just try to detain and deport them to some hellhole.

    Then there's that other bigoted side that thinks "Native Americans" are white Europeans immigrants.

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  18. Something we think about w younger kid applying to college this fall Saw zero international students on all but 1 campus visit this summer And at McGill standards for US applicants much higher than when older kid admitted for fall 2019

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  19. With Trump's promise of a purge at the office of US economics, with a long-term view of fixing them to go in his favour, I'm wondering how future statistics will ice over these fairly inevitable figures.

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  20. The impacts are going to ripple quite far since international students don't just pay tuition but often rent local apartments, have family visit and stay in local lodging, buy food and furniture and souvenirs, travel the country during breaks, and enrich the lives of so many people.

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  21. First time I was a minority was Grad School. Suddenly having peers from all around the globe with different educational traditions was like suddenly playing in the Majors after a lifetime in your little Iowa cornfield.

    Things will not just be going back “to normal” after Trump 2.0. So much broken

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  22. Thinking about this in terms of which three to four international student friends/fellow scholars in college I could have done without, and it’s making me very sad.

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  23. So presumably that means higher acceptance rates and more American students. But international students pay much higher tuition, so schools lose revenue, which means higher tuition for domestic students.All to go to schools that are caving to a dictator. Pay more, get less. Genius again.

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  24. I really wish people would be doing more asking about whether we should have our most elite institutions not increasing enrollment while simultaneously increasing foreign student rates to ~40%.

    That's not putting the education of the country as your priority - that's about making $ and elitism

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  25. It will devastate @uwmadison which over the past 20 years has increasingly relied on international and out-of-state tuition to offset continually declining state funding. Add the loss of federal research funding & they're facing a dire situation with no solution except down-sizing.

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  26. Why would a foreign student want to enroll in a US school when the Trump Gestapo could arrest them and send them to a third-world dictator-run country like El Salvador?

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  27. The fact that they're doing this as we're heading into the demographic cliff of 2008 recession babies means that whole colleges are going to go out of business. It's going to be a bloodbath for higher ed and set the American education system back decades.

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  28. this is the sort of thing where the effects on companies, technology, skills and the economy will still be felt in 15 years time, even if Democrats win every upcoming election with landslides.

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  29. The impact will be worse than this. Small colleges will be forced to close and the towns they are in will die. And once that capacity is gone , it won’t be coming back no matter who is president.

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  30. But hey, more open spots for white American males who would've been passed over for more qualified international applicants. It's a great strategy to make admissions look merit-based while disqualifying the competition.

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  31. Makes one wonder why these schools are willing to just roll over only to have this happen anyway.

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  32. So, US schools could see 42-60% increase in admissions of US residents? Don’t threaten my kids with a better opportunity. Admissions is a zero sum game at most colleges. The economics drove perverse incentives. The kids are not alright.

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  33. I have a BS&MS in Eng from US Uni 83-89. There’s more nuance to this. Availability of Admission to US Students is way down. The value of degrees to non residents is vastly more than residents. That skews the market. US degree as only method to expatriate wealth from CN/IN drives ethics issues.

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  34. Why was I on a call w people in international services at a couple unis and when I asked what they anticipated in terms of enrollment declines they all spun such a rosy picture?? Saying "it's not as bad as it sounds"

    Is it bc they will also lose their jobs? Delusional? Wishcasting??

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  35. Three of my kids studied in the US, two of them already finished

    For the others , they told me, they don’t want to study in the us anymore

    Favored destination now: Trinity college

    Guess, I have to get used to Guinness again 🙂

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  36. Canadians were literally sent to detention camps and American media are still like: "oh they mad and don't wanna visit us anymore because we imposed tariffs snickers"

    yea ma'am, that's not the main reason.

    you're also hemorrhaging, the difference is Americans put up feeble to nonexistent fight

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  37. That’s the goal though of the Trump admin we’re trying to add so many more jobs in the coal mines.

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  38. If I were an international student smart enough to seek higher education, I would also be smart enough to stay away from the USA

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  39. we so, so take for granted the economic and social prosperity that comes from being seen as the country of opportunity.

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  40. And loss of global long-term prestige and influence. The ability to attract the best foreign students was always considered a sign of wealth, power, and influence.

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    Well why would anyone want to go to that anti-intellectual Nazi country?

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  42. @w7voa At first I was wondering why enrollment would remain at 60% to 70% but I guess the remaining students are just trying to complete the programs they have already been admitted to. Wonder what the new applicant rate looks like.

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  43. Plus the long-term consequences of the related brain drain, especially with established scientists, etc losing research funding, moving abroad . . .

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  44. Last year, I talked with an international student who was considering options here in the United States. After the election, they decided to take a position in Europe instead.

    I cannot say they were wrong.

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