one thing to remember about "ICE is going to occupy Democrat strongholds" is that ICE, if it hires to capacity, will employ about 26k people by the end of 2026, which is 1/3 smaller than the NYPD, which is not a large enough police force to occupy New York City itself.
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What the hell are they spending all their money on then? Prison construction?
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ICE is supplemented by other federal law enforcement in addition to state and local law enforcement. they can also turn to deputizing civilians such as bounty hunters and military contractors.
they only truly need to secure influence over the election administration in a handful of counties
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the plan is to put ICE in explicitly dangerous situations which will escalate and justify a national guard crackdown - who will be shipped in from red states, I think. not actually have ICE implementing martial law.
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You dont need chains to contain an elephant. With a bit of conditioning , you can keep them at bay with a rope
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500 feds could not take a square mile in Portland in 2020.
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This is correct, but it will be enough to make headlines and piss off those communities and also a small enough force that they’ll be abused by the communities that they are put into. It will be a joy to witness.
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The new ICE uniforms.
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they'll also use red state national guards as they already have in DC
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This entire polisci professor debate today is fear masturbation I'm sorry
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I mean, Cyrus did the math 45 years ago
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I live in a Kansas county where little old poll volunteer ladies will sometimes try to hassle Democratic voters, the county recently "accidentally" locked drop boxes for ballots to suppress voting, and our county still goes blue almost every election, it's not that easy to suppress an entire country
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And a lot of that 26K will be like Dean Cain, who I suspect is not quite qualified to chase down say, a 23-year-old who just hiked the Darien Gap.
That said, setting a few key examples of violence may have a major dampening effect.
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however, they will get plenty of assistance from local law enforcement
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And that is assuming if they hire to capacity, they recruit good people and do the right type of training. I see nothing as of yet that indicates that is what they are doing. Even if you assume they do all the recruitment and training properly, they still have to retain all these people. Big lift.
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It’s not about controlling cities. They just want to shoot libs in the streets. He wanted to do it last time & the army wouldn’t play along. They’re trying to create the conditions to get another chance.
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My town has the sort of ratio you would need 10 For 2000 or so people and that’s still lower than NYPD
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Buncha boys with “Molon labe” patches and cargo shorts hitting the emergency intercom after getting lost trying to transfer between the J train and the No. 4 at Fulton
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The other thing is that ICE won’t hire to capacity. It was a terrible job to sell people on during the first Trump administration, and it’s worse now. Good teamwork on that front, folks. :)
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Not trying to be a doomer but I find it difficult to be comforted by this without some sense of who the hypothetical opposing force would be. Marshaling forces to launch an autogolpe is a big lift. Marshaling forces to oppose one might be a bigger lift.
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The thing to remember there is that there will be a massive increase in harassment of immigrants and basically no impact on anyone else.
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They could barely secure 3 blocks of DTLA
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also, prisoners take manpower
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they're intentionally going for outlandish spectacles and masked men in grey vans for the same reason cartels do extremely gruesome murders: they can't actually enforce efficiently
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I think the psychological aspect to secret police is more important. The Savak under the Shah of Iran was very small but people were scared to talk to their neighbors for fear of them being secret police. They are everywhere and nowhere and we just gave them $50 billion for psychological warfare.
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I like the solid point. It does make sense. But it assumes the same level of equipment, enforcement, enthusiasm, and what orders they are given, as well as how much new recruits - which they are - would follow orders…
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"it took so few at the admin level and so few more, a million at most, of a population of seventy million, to carry out the whole program of Nazi persecution; a million ex-convicts, future ex-convicts, poolroom hoodlums, disheartened young job- seekers, of whom every large country has its million."
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my fear is 'can they occupy enough polling places to intimidate specific groups of people?'
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Your math is right, but I think 'ICE' is now just short-hand for 'federal agent thugs'-- national guard, DHS, other federal agents; plus local law enforcement. It's a bigger number than the 26,000.
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It’s enough to station people at each of the large polling stations that the GOP has mandated in swing states in blue areas to achieve intimidation
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That's why they're creating the brownshirts in the Natl Guard as force multipliers.
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The SA was 2 million strong in a country a fraction of our size in 1933.
