The people dominating our political landscape, culture, and economy are just so stupid and full of shit it's almost impossible to describe

A transcription of a conversation between OpenAI CEO Sam Altman and podcast host Theo Von on Von's podcast, in an excerpt from the Atlantic article "AI is a mass-delusion event" by Charlie Warzel: 

"Sam Altman: I do guess that a lot of the world gets covered in data centers over time.

Theo Von: Do you really?

Altman: But I don’t know, because maybe we put them in space. Like, maybe we build a big Dyson sphere around the solar system and say, “Hey, it actually makes no sense to put these on Earth.”

Von: Yeah.

Altman: I wish I had, like, more concrete answers for you, but, like, we’re stumbling through this."

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  1. Our "elite" are so bad that you can see the evidence of American cultural decline everywhere now. It's almost amazing how quickly it happened but you could see the seeds everywhere if you were paying attention.

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  2. It can be infuriating to watch positions of power filled with incompetence and self-interest. When those shaping policy, culture, and the economy are disconnected from reality, the consequences ripple through everyone else’s lives.

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  3. Even saying we're going to Mars is eliding a lot of important practical concerns that we have not even slightly solved yet. A dyson sphere? Holy fuck

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  4. Well, that does explain why they all chose to align themselves with the most stupid and full of sh*t president we could ever have.

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  5. Ok so, like, we strip mine literally everything in the solar system. Every planet, asteroid, moon, Oort cloud object, etc. That would get us maybe 1% of the material needed. And then what?

    Not to even mention the millions of people that would need to rocket out to the build area.

    Laughable

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  6. ffs if we're gonna make a dyson swarm/dyson sphere can we please not use it for goddamn ai datacenters? make a virtual reality simulation to plug our brains into, or something worthwhile with that

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  7. The article succinctly sums up my thoughts on the matter. This technology is an interesting stepping stone towards AGI,.but it is NOT AGI or a guarantee that AGI is going to be invented by 2030. Embracing it like we're being forced to is like if Henry ford sold you the car without an engine...

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  8. That Musk trick of name dropping a scifi term you heard offhand one time, never knew what it was, but hopefully it impresses the lowest common denominator who wouldn't know it either.

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  9. “I wish I had, like, more concrete answers for you but I’m just stumbling around” is something only a wealthy white man could get away with saying.

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  10. Just tell him we are building it and take all his money. Do something useful with the $, something useful and POSSIBLE instead. Feed kids, help sick people, stuff like that . “No we are totally spending the money on your ludicrous goal!”

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  11. We gotta change the terms for all these college dropout types: yes abandoning your education may make you rich, but it won’t make you knowledgeable

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  12. I wonder what we will do in a few years with all these empty buildings that used to be data centers for this AI insanity.

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  13. I asked ChatGPT if PhD economists should have figured out planned obsolescence in automobiles by 1980.

    It says some did but there was not a consensus.

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  14. This is what happens to your brain when it is locked into a screen your entire life. We are witnessing in real time the effects and the resulting brain damage. Someone should do a study.

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  15. I'm sorry but anyone who suggests building a fucking dyson sphere with modern technology deserves to get laughed out of the room

    Building a o'neil cylinder or a ringworld would be more plausible and it's still not happening

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  16. Data centers around the solar system? Great, let's have a latency of more than eleven hours until you get the data you need. These guys don't know that you can't break the laws of physics by throwing enough money at them.

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  17. If Altman is invoking Dyson Spheres then he not only has no idea but has no plans to have an idea.

    Shorter version: Altman is bullshitting.

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  18. I think it's interesting that everyone is picking about the reference to a Dyson sphere, which is of course very silly. I would start with the point that data centers in space won't work interactively even if you could make them. It is 1.2 light seconds to the moon and a lot farther for ...

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  19. As a longtime tech person, I've had it with Stanford dropouts like Altman. I don't doubt he's a smart guy, and clearly he's enterprising. But if he had taken time to educate himself at Stanford instead of leveraging its reputation and networks, he would know when he is saying something very stupid.

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  20. SA: And then once we capture all the output of the sun you will be able to have ChatGPT make videos of Hull Hogan and your Dad. TV: Would be dope to see my Dad and Hulk Hogan

    • Simultaneously SA: Kiss TV: Fight
    • Awkward silence SA: ..Then we will probably cure cancer. TV: what is wrong with you???

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  21. It’s so dumb, if we built a 1m thick Dyson sphere out of graphene it would require 1000 times the mass of the earth. Not to mention all the stupid logistics and delays in communication that this would result in. It’s soo dumb.

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  22. A DYSON SPHERE around the FUCKING SOLAR SYSTEM

    "We'll probably do something that would take us thousands of years if the Earth united perfectly literally tomorrow with this as their sole goal but IDK bro"

    These are our thought leaders. For fuck's sake.

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  23. For those of you who don't know, a Dyson Sphere is a giant machine bigger than any planet that wraps around the sun to produce eternal energy. And yes, it is so fucking impossible that not even most sci-fi settings bother humoring the idea.

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  24. When 90% of work on earth is taken over by AI, putting data centers in space is not a bad idea. I worked in the data center industry. DC has been in exponential growth even prior to AI launching. If you care about global warming, space data centers is a great idea.

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  25. I have gained a new appreciation for what it was like to live in previous periods in human history. For most of history; magic, fairies and demons were just considered facts and were talked about seriously.

    There's a significant parallel between that and the mass myth making around AI.

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  26. “A big Dyson Sphere” yeah, do we currently (if ever) have the technology and resources to do that? NO. Sam Altman is a moron.

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  27. I think the real question is, who's paying attention to the seeds of decline, and who's just reaping the whirlwind.

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  28. I can’t believe I’m the one who’s held to the standard of being expected to explain the minutiae of socialism down to the microscopic detail before people will take me seriously, and yet we got Altman out here saying we can fix major problems with AI by slapping together some theoretical physics.

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  29. He reminds me so much of a younger Musk. A creature who people believed was "extending the light of human consciousness" even though every time he talked it was like your stupidest college acquaintance who got in as a legacy admit and spent the entire time belligerently drunk.

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  30. It seems, more and more, that much of our cultural moment is uniquely defined by a synergy between delusions from above and below with respect to COVID and AI.

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  31. It's like getting obliterated with the physics students on a friday night @ uni and talking about Ringworld. In 1982.

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  32. It will be so cool when we build data centers that can transform into giant robots and walk around and like help us build tall buildings and they will also have big jet packs so they can fly around to different countries and stuff.

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  33. The easiest way to tell if someone is completely full of shit is counting the number of times they say the word “like” in a single conversation.

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  34. Dyson spheres are (hypothetically) built around a star, not an entire solar system, but I guess it's all bullshit anyways. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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  35. True genius is knowing how much you don't know and being humbled by it. Being clever and lucky in one area does not make a person wise or brilliant at everything else.

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  36. Can we please quit with the tech bro airheads mouth farting their weird fantasies at half educated podcast dudes who don’t have the background or desire to challenge their claims and just mindlessly validate these insane fever dreams

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  37. Absolutely, but they are always taken in very seriously because, well, they’ve already got a fuckton of money on their hands and keep asking for fucktons more. Pretty much, that’s all there is to it.

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  38. I assume he knows this is a stupid answer, and that the absurdity of it will work as a form of distraction and deflection.

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  39. Saying that your project requires virtually infinite expansion in order to work one day doesn't say much about your project

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  40. To contextualize: earth is so smal that building a circle around the sun is flat out impossible. You'd have to excavate other planets, potentially making some disappear. Absolutely unserious.

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  41. Build an Elysium style O'Neill cylinder in space where all the billionaires can live, with Data centers on the outside powered by solar

    after all the billionaires arrive we can bring the oxygen for them to breath

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  42. putting ai data centers on a Dyson sphere around the sun:

    A) would mean the end of life on earth as it is cut off from sunlight B) would add about 16 minutes of unavoidable delay to every request C) is impossible bc there's not enough raw material on earth D) all of the above

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  43. They are convinced we will soon be uploading our brains to computers despite having no real idea how brains work except they do hornworm like computers and incredibly more complex, if brains are really containers of our consciousness, etc. it’s more like “I saw it on Star Trek, seems cool!”

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  44. Today in "tell me your understanding of a Dyson sphere is two sentences long without telling me your understanding of a Dyson sphere is two sentences long."

    Like... you could add a zero to the current year and that still might not be feasible.

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  45. Nobody: Could we just solve world hunger and have normal internet instead?

    Altman: ...

    Nobody: ...

    Altman: ... No

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  46. Sending a message to a computer outside the solar system would take about a year and a half. And the response would take another year and a half to get to the earth. So if you think the internet is slow…

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  47. Practical projects: One (1) Dyson Sphere with a radius of approximately one light year.

    Absurd impossibility: everyone has one (1) house.

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  48. This wasn’t a slip of the tongue, this genius literally believes we can build a Dyson sphere around the entire solar system.

    "I am a believer in the one-dumb-foot-in-front-of-the-other strategy," he replies when asked whether he believes in following a long-term plan. "I definitely think for fun, you know, after a couple of glasses of wine at the end of the night, about what it's going to be like when we're building the Dyson sphere around the solar system [a theoretical megastructure that blends physics with science fiction]. But the way to make progress, I think, is you just do the thing in front of you, and then the next one, and the next one." -Sam Altman
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  49. A Dyson Sphere would likely require the mass of Jupiter. Like there's a reason SF proposes it as a sign of an advanced society.

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  50. yeah dawg, let’s build that dyson sphere dawg, those guys are good at vacuums and space is a vacuum so it makes sense dawg.

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  51. Either people like him live and operate entirely in (virtual) bubbles of people like themselves who think they're (the) smart(est) with no(t much) actual internal correction (so the longer they're in those bubbles, the more alike they become), or they're regulating themselves through substances.

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  52. Just so everyone is aware, the only reason he mentions a Dyson sphere here is so you scoff at how ridiculous that is as compared to his real plan, covering the entire earth with environment-destroying data centers so loser tech bros can generate incorrect maps and get married to big-titty chat bots.

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  53. So a Dyson Sphere, the thing that the crew of the starship Enterprise (TNG) saw during a mission and wondered about the technology necessary to build one. Several centuries in the future. That Dyson sphere.

    Alt: Captain Picard says these tech bros are douches
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  54. I'm debating if this dipshit wants to recreate the manga BLAME! or he's seriously thinking AI will allow him to recreate the plot of The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect in real life.

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  55. We're really talking about Dyson spheres when a third of humans alive today don't have electricity? Or how at least a billion people don't have toilets?

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  56. it's easy to forget how much of techbro philosophy is half-remembered science fiction concepts filtered through each others' books

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  57. smh at these criticisms because i would simply invent a theorized megastructure to deal with data center limitations. or i would have a wizard cast a spell to handle it.

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  58. I can tell you for certain that Sam has heard the term "Dyson Sphere" without every having contemplated what it is or how you would theoretically construct one. How are people still listening to this dumbass at this point?

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  59. Look building a sphere around the solar system can't be hard I built a solar system in third grade science class and I can see the sun and it's like as big as a penny maybe, no like a dime, no ARGHMYEYES

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  60. I am very happy to see more articles like this. Finally, someone is paying attention to the gaslighting these AI freaks are spewing. The public is buying into this stuff that will crash our economy and cause untold damage to our society.

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  61. Journalists keep getting it wrong. AI is all of the above: A market bubble Unprecedented wealth generator. A mass delusion A planetary transformative technology Etc

    It’s not Either/Or It’s Both/And

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  62. Ah yeah a Dyson Sphere, we'll just make one, I can't tell if they believe their own shit or if they're pandering to idiots

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  63. “We’ll need to become a Type II civilization on the Kardashev scale” is certainly one way to signal to investors that you intend to pursue an infinite growth strategy.

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  64. Delusions of grandeur and/or brainfart bong rips, lands in the same spot. These broligarchs color their crap with sci-fi refs for their fanboys, but they'd be the redshirt security fodder going down to the surface to check things out* -if those decisions were based on merit, not moolah. (*star trek)

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  65. You can't build a Dyson sphere around the entire solar system.

    All the material inside the solar system wouldn't be enough. We could dismantle all the planets, moons and asteroids and it wouldn't be enough.

    Put it anywhere inside the orbit of Neptune and it will increase Earth's temperature.

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  66. Fantasizing about Dyson Spheres, not to create a post scarcity sci-fi utopia - rather to help HR craft the perfect PhD. level email that no one reads.

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  67. Quantum processors are AI x 1k currently in the labs; by 2030 who knows?

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